Comments on: Linux Creator Thinks “Future Robots Controlling Humans” Is Stupid https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/ Technology Simplified Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:21:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.4 By: David Neal https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-109136 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:36:59 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-109136 Norm Harding I think it's possible we do run on a set of pre-programmed functions, it's just they would be complex and many, with subtle differences from each other, not to mention we seem to be continuously linked up to a live-edit of the functions in our own 'code', all the time.
It could be argued that our ''programming" has been painstaking written through the trial and error of evolution. It is even possible that the brain uses some sort of 'code' from DNA or elsewhere that the brain is a useless pile of jelly without.
Either way, this is not something we could realistically simulate and package into a robot any time soon, but the crucial science could be right around the corner…
I think the only true AI will come once we actually understand how the brain produces/receives/harnesses consciousness. Once that is understood, a synthetic brain could be produced, and maybe then we will experience self-conscious AI, but even if we get to that point in time and past all the ethical issues, we'll still never really know for sure if that thing is really feeling anything at all. Not until we really understand our own brain.
There's even a theory that the brain cannot be used to comprehend the brain. It is (so far) the most complex object in our known universe, which I guess works both for and against it.

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By: Jeff Smith https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-107233 Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:36:17 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-107233 Machines already control us. My work schedule is created by an algorithm. There's simply too many employees for a single manager to handle all the scheduling.

We shouldn't fear our future robot overlords, we should welcome them. They're not as corruptable as the human ones. So long as we create them properly, we have nothing to fear, and a whole lot to gain.

The problems of this world are bigger than we can hold in our minds all at once. We just need to build bigger minds.

We'll be fine.

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By: Pete Wells https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-107158 Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:52:32 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-107158 I was mistaken in my earlier comment and I apologize. I was rushing and writing on a tablet while waiting for a plane. It's funny that I should get Paul Strohmeier's message today as I was up until 2AM installing a new motherboard, processor and ram in my computer. I'm going to have to put my professor's hat on for this one. I compared my old processor and said it was 5 times more powerful than the Cray 2 computer. I was of course referring to processing power alone. I had to dig a bit deeper to get the real number. The Cray 2 in 1985 was an amazing computer. People paid $10,000.00 per minute to use it. Accounting for inflation that's roughly 22,300.00 in today's money. I had a time machine and took the computer I had yesterday back to 1985 I would be enormously wealthy today. At full power the Cray 2 performed at 1.9 GFLOPS (Giga Floating Operations Per Second.) A close friend had his computer die on him and I upgraded my I7 3930K Sandybridge to an I7 5930K Haswell processor and sent the 2 year old one to him. My old computer performed at 137.5 GFLOPS making it 72.37 times faster than the world's fastest super computer just 28 years ago. From a computer that took up a room to a desktop in that short time. My new computer measures in at conservatively 290 GFLOPS. That makes it 152.63 times more powerful than the Cray 2. That's in just 30 years.

It's difficult to compare the human brain to a binary computer. We honestly don't know how it works yet. So we need to phrase the question as how much power would we need to simulate a human brain. The number according to many would roughly come to around 90 Peta FLOPS. For those who don't know the progression is Mega, Giga, Tera and Peta. I won't bore you with enormous numbers so in short 1 Peta FLOPS would be in rounded numbers 1.126 quadrillion FLOPS where 1 Giga FLOPS would be rounded to a mere 1.074 Billion FLOPS. That means to simulate human in computer math you need 101.34 quadrillion FLOPS to simulate a human brain. So by these numbers the average human brain is around 3500 times more powerful than my PC. This makes my PC 5 times more powerful than a politician.

Remember this I highly speculative because we don't know how the human brain works. We can only plug in what we know it does and see what it takes a computer to perform that task. Today the most powerful computer in the world is sitting in China. It's called the Tinehe-2 and it is running at around 34 Peta FLOPS or about 1/3 that of what's required to simulate a human brain. So in theory we could have a desktop computer that has that kind of power in less than 20 years.

The power isn't the only factor the memory and storage and then the big one a program that can throw AI into mix may take a little longer.

Having witnessed the evolution of computers over the years from Super computers down to the PC I can't rule out the possibility that we will have computers that we will call friends and have meaningful relationships with in a few years. We may even have androids one day that we will keep for companionship. I'd frankly be surprised if we didn't have them. As to their capabilities that will be determined by the programmers that will constantly be updating them. It's doubtful that one person will write all of the code for AI. Once it starts I'm sure that the lawyers will spill from every Crack and crevice to attack and defend the research. Time will tell. In short I can't confirm that our computers will become smarter than we are but I can't rule it out either. The reason I can't rule it out is because by the standards of the original PC my current is impossible. They never thought the PC would become what it is today. In the 60s a TV show called Star Trek gave birth to the flip phone. Not many people use them anymore because the smart phone is both a triquarter and communicator…

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By: Paul Strohmeier https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-107122 Fri, 09 Oct 2015 20:44:51 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-107122 So i'm youngar than you – I've been using computers for ~ 15 years. I think my first computer had 80Mhz though. So even in my much shorter time of being around, I have experienced dramatic imrpovements in hardware. However, at the end of the day, the things my computer can do today and the things it could do 15 years ago are not fundamentally different.

A truly self aware piece of software is qualitatively different from pac-man. The simple fact that our hardware is improving in no way indicates that we'll be dealing with sentient machines soon. Thinking that a quantiative change (faster computers) will lead to a qualitative change (intelligent machines) simply does not make sense to me.

Not saying we'll never have intelligent machines. Just saying that when we will have intelligent machines, its because we've adopted a fundamentally different design approach, not because our computers are really, really, really fast.

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By: Tim Pozza https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-107119 Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:24:29 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-107119 To my mind, advances in AI probably won't be so much in the programming as in the material science which makes use of quantum effects. Imagine local neural and network history contexted superpositionally and accessible to time slice views and inputs… todays limits placed on priority queuing managed by a secure kernel or group of kernels doesn't use superluminal soliton waves to cross process from multiple self-inception points, but this sort of scenario would be more likely to be the material underpinning, the hardware upon which the programming is able to behave differently up to the limits of the material than today's bus-based computers are able to do. Just a thought.

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By: Anonymous https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-102722 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 09:22:32 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-102722 I agree Linus cannot forsee the future, but since he is a programmer I would rely on his opinion for a probibility over Hawkin.

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By: Anonymous https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-102699 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:44:01 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-102699 Norm Harding there are many fields that are growing constantly ie. biorobotics and nanotechnology, without forgetting about quantum computing. The stupidity consists in thinking that we need everything about all fields and about all, I agree that we won't see an AI as good as a human brain but i don't think that Linus has the ability to see the future, to assert that this theories are wrong. It is like thinking that we are the only thinking beings in all the universe or the only lifeform in the universe.

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By: Anonymous https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-101775 Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:00:00 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-101775 The computers can’t think, if some day the robots “controlling” the humans it will be because some humas control the robots to do it.

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By: Anonymous https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-101759 Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:50:35 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-101759 @Norm Harding well said. there is nothing as such 100% artificially intelligent. Ihe AI computers and robots that have been developed, are a result of human innovation and programming. skynet is still an Utopian concept.

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By: Anonymous https://fossbytes.wiki/linux-creator-thinks-future-robots-controlling-humans-is-stupid/#comment-101758 Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:44:19 +0000 https://fossbytes.wiki/?p=12972#comment-101758 Thanks Pete Wells for such an insightful comment. the possibility can't be ruled out as humans are known to commit blunders.

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